Creating a Stellar Engineering Maker Portfolio with Jyoti Jain – College Bound Mentor Podcast #30

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College Bound Mentor Podcast Episode #30: Creating a Stellar Engineering Maker Portfolio with Jyoti Jain

The engineering field is getting increasingly competitive. How do you stand out as an engineering student today? Jyoti Jain believes the best way is to create a stellar engineering maker portfolio. Jyoti is the Founder of Jain College Consulting. She found her passion for college counseling while helping her own child through the college admissions process. Hear why engineering students should consider submitting an engineering maker portfolio, the key components involved, how to tailor your portfolio to the audience, where engineering students can find meaningful experiences outside the classroom, and why you don’t need expensive tools or big projects to make your portfolio shine. This episode covers everything from applying to college as an engineer to solving problems. Here’s a small sample of what you will hear in this episode:

  • What’s an engineering maker portfolio?
  • Should every engineering student submit a portfolio?
  • What should your portfolio look like?
  • How can engineering students showcase examples of collaboration?
  • Why is engineering getting more competitive?

Connect with Jyoti at JainCollegeConsulting.com, on LinkedIn, and check out her article on Guiding Students in Creating a Stellar Engineering Maker Portfolio, and Subscribe to College Bound Mentor on your favorite podcast platform and learn more at CollegeBoundMentor.com

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Jyoti Jain 0:04
Yeah, so anything with engineering right hands on experiences matter a lot.

Lisa Bleich 0:19
Hey, CBMers, welcome back to College Bound Mentor, where we help you survive the college application process and beyond. We’re your co-hosts, Lisa, Abby, and Stefanie. And on today’s episode, we’re going to chat with Jyoti Jain, founder of Jain College Consulting, about creating a stellar engineering maker portfolio. Jyoti found her passion for college consulting while helping her own child through the college admissions process, and decided to pursue a certificate in career planning and college counseling from UC Berkeley Extension through extensive research and college visits, she has developed a deep understanding of a college’s culture, educational philosophy and academic programs specializing in STEM business and pre med track. She also enjoys giving back by volunteering at Breakthrough Silicon Valley San Jose, a community based organization where she guides low income and first gen students through all aspects of the college admissions process. She has a master’s in chemistry from Baylor University and an MBA in hospitality and marketing from the Golden Gate University. She’s an active member of waccac and a professional member of the independent educational consultant Association, or IECA. So JT, I actually first, you know, wanted you to come on as a CO as a guest. When I read one of the blog posts that you wrote for the IECA I guess it was the IECA newsletter insights, and you wrote a really great post on how to create a stellar engineering portfolio, and I just thought you’d make a great guest. So we have a lot of engineering students that we worked with, and especially last year, we found that it’s really becoming much more difficult to stand out, particularly among engineering and, of course, computer science students. So thank you so much for writing this, and welcome to our show.

Jyoti Jain 1:54
Thank you. Thank you for having me. I’m so excited. Yeah,

Lisa Bleich 1:58
well, that’s great. We’re happy to have you. Why don’t you just start off telling us for, you know, those listeners that may not know, like, what actually is an engineering maker portfolio? And like, what students should be submitting them? And you know, can you help kind of define what a maker is for our listeners as well?

Jyoti Jain 2:15
Yeah, so just if I had to say it in a nutshell, what is a engineering maker portfolio, I would say that it’s like two or three curated hands on projects that effectively narrate the students individual engineering journey. So that’s what I would say. It’s a powerful way to differentiate themselves in this increasingly competitive admissions landscape, and then to define what maker is, it’s comes from the broader Maker Movement, which was a creative community and which still is for hackers, tinkerers, crafters you know who make those hands on creations using, you know, right now, we have a lot of colleges that have those maker spaces which are equipped with, you know, threed printers, laser cutters, leads, CNC machines, soldering eyes, everything that you could Think you know what you needed to create something?

Lisa Bleich 3:22
Yeah, very cool for sure.

Stefanie Forman 3:26
Yeah. And so you said that this is a really great way to submit these portfolios for engineering students to differentiate themselves from other applicants applying to similar majors or similar programs. But do you feel that every student interested in engineering or applying to engineering programs should be submitting a portfolio, even if it’s not required by the admissions process of the selected colleges.

Jyoti Jain 3:53
So yeah, I would say the answer is it depends. So it depends on a couple of things, as you said, right? Some schools will not accept any additional informations, like, I know for sure that the UCS will not so that in that case, the students not going to benefit, or it’s not going to be even reviewed if they submit. So in that case, no. But many schools, they accept optional portfolios through like slide room, or many students, when they submit the applications through the common app. For example, the school gives them, you know, through the portal, a link for optional submission of any kind of, you know, digital media or files that they want to upload. In that case, I think if they have something that, you know, showcases their individual engineering journey, that kind of brings out, you know, their growth in technical skills, or any kind of, you know, problems or challenges that they had that. Shows that they’re thinking as you know why they’re doing this. In that case, you know how they approach projects, for example, or you know what is their overall impact. I think that it would be helpful for the students to show something beyond, you know, the grades, the transcripts, or whatever else is they’re submitting in the application.

Stefanie Forman 5:23
So that’s super helpful. So if there’s a place for an optional supplement or additional information so then and it’s going to help their application go for it. You highly recommend?

Abby Power 5:34
Yeah, that’s great listening to what you just said. The objective of the portfolio is to show how the student thinks, or how they’ve grown as a problem solver, or maybe, I imagine, even like a theme of a topic that they’re interested in. I feel like a lot of our clients can feel sort of overwhelmed at the idea of creating a portfolio. So can you give us a snapshot of what one should look like? Is there a checklist of any kind that our students should follow rules about how many projects, you know, can you can it just be one, or should it be a certain number that shows a diverse set of skills? How do you think about creating that portfolio?

Jyoti Jain 6:17
For me, the process is very organic, because each student is very individual, and you know what they bring to the table in terms of their interests and how they develop that over those, you know, four years, it’s very different. So my focus is on, you know, highlighting their growth, right? Yeah, in terms of, you know, technical skills, for example, how they evolved over time. So they might start off with like small projects and then go on into more complex projects. So that’s highlighting those technical skills over time. The other thing is, you know, sometimes you know the students. You know, most students have a robotics or, like, some kind of, you know, place where they’re doing collaborative work with their teammates. So I think in engineering, even highlighting collaboration is a way of showing that, okay, this is what I did. But then, of course, the focus needs to be on the student, what have they done per se, what was their role in the team? And maybe a little bit of a reflection as to, you know, okay, this is what the challenges we ran into as a team. And then this is, you know, what I did, or a solution per se. So those kind of just highlighting those things. And of course, you know, anything that speaks to intellectual curiosity, so like, you know, whether it is research they’ve done or you know, anything else that they have really delved deeper into looking at, you know, the major that they’re going to be applying to, because fit to major has become, you know, an important aspect for engineering application, the admissions wants to know what has a student done inside and outside the classroom to explore their major. So that’s critical

Abby Power 8:17
for a given project that might be in a portfolio. What are the components for a given project? You know, a reflection you mentioned, I imagine some sort of technical explanation. What does that look like?

Jyoti Jain 8:33
Yeah, so, you know, just take the admissions committee through the process, right? What? How? Why? The why behind the project? Why did you do it in the first place? There are so many projects that they could have chosen. So I would say, look at two or three projects that speak to that. So I wouldn’t include each and every project that the student has ever done. So maybe just pick, like a few projects, but then take them through the, you know, the why, why did I do this? And then, you know, the process. So what was the initial and then what was the final result? What were you trying to do? What was the impact? Did you run into any challenges, and then, what were the skills that you picked up? So just framing it in terms of, you know, the growth that they experience, or the skills that they picked up. You know, it’s a good way to go about

Abby Power 9:26
it. That makes a lot of sense. Yeah, focus on growth,

Lisa Bleich 9:30
right? And, well, it’s interesting that you say that, because it got me thinking about a student that I have who spent all of last summer. He’s on he’s like, the head of his robotics team, and he spent the entire summer basically just making different modules for his for his robot, so that they had all of the programming done in advance. And he just kept iterating and iterating all of these different scenarios that might come up when they’re doing their competition, so that they could get much more efficient at doing it. And he was really doing it to help the whole team. So. You’re suggesting, or what I’m hearing, is that it might be a good idea to show all of the iterations that he did and what he came up against, and then how he landed at the four or five different, you know, final programs that he came up with that would be helpful, and how they ended up helping his robotics team in the future. Is that something that you think would be successful,

Jyoti Jain 10:21
yeah, yeah. And in addition to that, maybe emphasizing the soft skills that he developed along the way, like, you know, communication with his team, or, you know, whatever else, right? So those things are also important in, you know, just sometimes, just speaking about the soft

Lisa Bleich 10:38
skills helps, right? And how would that be different, though, than writing an essay about that, like, you know, can you give an example of, like, a successful portfolio that worked and how that worked in conjunction with essays? Because essays are also an opportunity to demonstrate those things. Yes, yes.

Jyoti Jain 10:52
I had a student, actually, who was applying for aerospace engineering, and he was part of a very under resourced robotics team. So he basically wore a lot of hats. So he was doing, you know, coding. He was helping out, you know, to do the, you know, build a robot, you know, to to make the different parts, to also do the electrical piece behind it. So this student has had a lot to show. So the way that he approached, you know, I had him, you know, talk about the few challenges that he ran into and the different things he even did, like fundraising, for example. So along the way, he picked up a lot of skills, not just, you know, the technical aspect, but also, you know, doing the fundraising, the marketing. You know, he wore a lot of hats. So I did make sure that he talked about, you know, the different hats that he wore and how under resourced his team was. And, you know, to put in like pictures. And, you know, give like data in terms of what all he did for fundraising and how much he raised, and how he, you know, he even built a website. So those kind of things, just highlighting those things. And then, you know, because that shows that he’s been going, you know, he’s been really stepping out of his comfort zone and doing just a lot more, not just the coding piece. So

Lisa Bleich 12:17
it’s almost like the audio, it’s almost like the visual component that goes along. It’s almost to supplement what you’re doing in the essay, because all of those things are, you know, we have our students write about all of those challenges and the growth during their essays, but so the, if we could just understand it carefully, then the the portfolio is essentially like the documentation. It’s like the pictures, if it’s like a picture book to show exactly what happened along the way, to compliment the essays that you’re doing, right?

Jyoti Jain 12:42
Yeah, yeah. He had like a two minute video on everything. It wasn’t, like, very long, okay, but he did mention, like, the different things that he did.

Stefanie Forman 12:52
Got it? Yeah. That’s really helpful. That example also from your blog. We loved your first tip, which is to tailor your portfolio to the audience. And you worded it. You recommended addressing both general and technical audiences. Ensures that your portfolio is compelling and informative to all reviewers. I think that’s so important. So many times our students use acronyms or they use things that I don’t even know what they’re referring to. So I’m like, Well, how will someone who’s looking at your application understand that? So how does a student strike that balance between, you know, the general and technical audiences so they can speak everyone’s language, that universal language?

Jyoti Jain 13:39
Yeah, yeah. That’s actually a great question. So with the admissions readers, right, they don’t know, they wouldn’t be able to understand the deeper technical aspects. So for them, you know, I think starting out with just like a summary, which is, you know, what I call it, jargon free, without any kind of, you know, technicalities involved, just to explain your project how you would to a layman who doesn’t know anything per se about engineering. So that is something. And then, you know, maybe dive deeper into the technical details, whether it’s the coding or the engineering principles or the math models or what have you. This would be more, you know, for in case, like, for in case of MIT, like, they have the Advisory Board, which is, you know, has the technical expertise, the different engineering fields, and is looking at the application. So for them, I think going deeper definitely helps, you know, like, Caltech has their faculty and stuff doing it. It’s important. Context is important, who’s reading it, and you know, so tailoring it to have the elements of both, that balance is essential, because you want to really cater to the admissions readers as well, just giving them the snapshot, not going into too much details. And then you want to. To really do the details where it’s necessary. In case you’re having someone with technical expertise evaluating you

Abby Power 15:07
very good, going back just for a second to collaboration, I think that’s a critical theme, just all throughout the applications these days, and you have brought up that that’s an important component for engineers to show. Can you give us a couple of very specific examples of how you might communicate that kind of collaboration? What you know in what areas of the engineering process they’re looking for? Collaboration?

Jyoti Jain 15:35
Yeah. So when students are actually talking about collaboration, right, instead of saying, like, I worked on a team to build a robot, right? Maybe they can try saying that it was a three person team, and I was responsible for whatever, designing the gear mechanism, writing the code, whatever it is they were responsible for, be very specific, and then go on to see one of the challenges I faced was, you know, we were not able to decide on the design ideas, and then I helped mediate that and proposed a hybrid solution that was acceptable to everyone on the team. So those kind of details, I think are important, because it kind of shows like, what did the student do, and then what kind of collaboration, you know, how did he successfully manage to mediate and communicate like what he’s doing and bring value to his team? Two

Lisa Bleich 16:31
questions. So first of all, not every student might have something to include in a portfolio, and honestly, not every school will allow, as we said earlier, will allow for a portfolio. So MIT has it very clear that there’s a makerspace, and that’s almost something that I think is, I want to say the number is maybe 20% actually submit a portfolio, a makerspace portfolio, and Caltech also. But many schools don’t really, I don’t want to say, encourage it, but they don’t really act like that’s something that they want to see. So are you finding that more schools are actually looking at these portfolios, and if somebody doesn’t have something to submit, are they going to be at a disadvantage?

Jyoti Jain 17:09
I wouldn’t necessarily say that they’re going to be at a disadvantage. I’ve had students in the past, you know, not submit portfolios, and that’s okay. So if you don’t have anything to submit, don’t that’s obvious. But the thing is this, that you definitely want to start somewhere. So the student does not have anything, let’s say it just depends on when they come to you, right? If they come to you the sophomore year, you can do more with them. So in that case, I would say, start somewhere. So, you know, I start by asking them, like, what problems do you want to solve in engineering? And I’ll also share with them the Viterbi prompt about, you know, the 14 Grand

Abby Power 17:50
Challenges, yeah,

Jyoti Jain 17:53
engineering, yeah. So they have it into like, four different areas, sustainability, health, security, joy of living those kind of things. It helps kind of brainstorm where they are at, what their passion is. How are they going to use engineering to solve problems? So that’s like my basis. Like I try to kind of do more with students who come in earlier, and then you have more room to work with. But if they come to me like junior year, or, you know, end of junior year, and they don’t have anything per se, so then I would just look at their resume. You know, what are their extracurriculars right now? Do they have anything to showcase? You know, their engineering journey? Are they interested in anything? And then maybe I would look for interdisciplinary things that kind of, let’s say, the students interested in music and has been doing a lot of work in that area, maybe they can do something related to, like, kind of project, hobby project, or a research project that kind of combines music with engineering, so just kind of building on their extracurriculars and then taking their interests towards engineering and then showing something. But then it all depends, and it’s each student is different, and what their capacity is different, and they what they want to do is different. So sometimes, yeah, it’s not like, cut and dry process. It’s more like, you know, just trying to see where the student is at and what do they want to do

Lisa Bleich 19:30
next, right? It’s very much like, we just did a an interview on passion projects, and that’s very much that same idea. May think it’s really all about identifying, like, you know, I think Liz criders question was, like, what breaks your heart, you know? So it’s the same thing. I mean, we do that with our clients as well. Like, what are the problems that you want to solve, particularly as it relates to engineering. So I think that’s an interesting or, you know, it’s a good way to approach it. Yeah,

Jyoti Jain 19:58
shampoo. I. Sir, yeah. I mean it’s I love I saw that as creditors. I just love her, yeah.

Stefanie Forman 20:06
Oh, that’s awesome, yeah, building on on what we were just talking about. Do you have any recommendations on where students interested in engineering, computer science, etc, can look for meaningful experiences outside of the classroom or just from your own experience, your your own students, where? Where have they had success exploring these passions and curiosities that transcend the classroom?

Jyoti Jain 20:33
Yeah, so anything with engineering right hands on experiences matter a lot then just taking a class like, Okay, I took a class and intro to engineering versus like, I went and did something, right? So those hands on projects, I think, help a lot. The other thing I tell my students is that everybody is doing robotics hackathons and what have you. So the thing is look for problems like in your community, and then look for how you can use your skills to kind of solve them. So, for example, I had a student who, you know, at his school, one of his friends or something, died of fentanyl overdose, and then, you know, so that was a problem. He really cared about it. So then he, you know, decided to do a website on the dangers of fentanyl. And then he did, like a GoFundMe campaign, where he’s collected money to kind of, you know, sell that drug that counters fentanyl, and, you know, or whatever, what have you so those kind of things which are really, really personal to them. Yeah, they that they can take up in their community. Like I had another senior who, you know, came from a very competitive High School, and, you know, very stressful. So he wanted to do something, you know, to make a change, to have this, PS, really relax and, you know, have that stress free space. So he created this meditation app, or things like that. So, you know, helping their community at the same time, you know, identify, what are the problems within my community, and what can I do? It doesn’t have to be something big, but just kind of, you know, making that impact. You know, whether it’s their school or whether it’s their local community, broader community, what can they do to step up and, you know, have that deeper impact?

Abby Power 22:35
Yeah, I love that. I was just I mentioned this on one of our other episodes, but I was at the ICA conference, in Detroit, and that was just something that all of the admissions reps emphasize, that they’re looking for kids who understand the needs that are in their communities. It was just a little bit of different language than I mean, that seems obvious, but it was just sort of everyone said that very specific thing in terms of what they want to see from applicants, kids who understand the needs of people in their community and want to do something

Jyoti Jain 23:10
to try to help. Yeah, yeah. Absolutely.

Abby Power 23:13
Speaking of stress we we observed this year that engineering seemed even more competitive than ever in terms of admissions. Was that your experience also, and do you think that the environment is changing? What do you think the State of the State of engineering is? State of the State?

Jyoti Jain 23:38
I think you’re right on Yeah, definitely, I think each cycle is getting more and more competitive. And the UCs are just this. This cycle for engineering has been just crazy. So yeah, definitely, I echo all your sentiments about, yeah, the process becoming more competitive every single year the cycle is getting, yeah, it’s, it’s, it’s kind of sad that, yeah, it’s happening.

Abby Power 24:06
It seems like these skills are so needed. So what do you think accounts for the fact that it just keeps getting so much, is it? I mean, I guess we know it’s not really more students applying, right? Don’t we know that it’s not that many. It’s not exponentially more students applying each year. So what do you think accounts for the programs becoming so much more competitive year over year?

Jyoti Jain 24:31
I don’t know. I think it’s an impacted major in most places. So that means that there are just, you know, more students applying then spots available. So that’s like one thing, but yeah, I think the whole Yeah, lot of students want to become engineers, and therefore, I think definitely there’s, like, record applications. The spots are not getting any bigger. So I think it’s creating that issue.

Abby Power 25:02
Yeah, I think we need more spots.

Jyoti Jain 25:05
Yeah, yes. We

Lisa Bleich 25:07
need more faculty to do it. But when you know when something like engineering or computer science, although computer science, the entry level job output isn’t as as plentiful in the last couple of years, but you know, if you can get a job as a PhD in those fields, out of industry, it’s harder to get them to stay in and just stay in academia. So there’s also that that kind of makes it harder from a capacity standpoint. One of the things I just we wanted to just kind of, I guess, clarify, because we don’t want people here thinking, oh my god, now I have to do a portfolio on top of everything else that I’m doing. And I think that we’re seeing a little bit of a push to like, now you gotta do a video, and now you gotta do, you know this, and you gotta go do a portfolio. So in terms of like, just to reduce the stress around this, first of all, how many colleges are expecting to see this, and then how polished do they expect them to be? And what can we do to help kids kind of see this as a fun thing to do, rather than one more burden for them to do in the in the hoops to getting into an engineering program?

Jyoti Jain 26:12
Yeah, it doesn’t have to be polished at all, because what they’re trying to see is the process. You know, the why? As I was saying, Why are you doing this? Take the committee through the process. How do you look at problem solving? What kind of, you know, solutions do you come up with? So just, you know, getting into the mindset of, okay, I need to show them the process and focusing on that. It could be a small project. It doesn’t have to be anything big, but as long as it, you know, takes them through those steps and helps them understand you better, and beyond your GPA, beyond your test scores, right? Something that really gives them an insight into who you are and what has your journey been so far?

Lisa Bleich 27:02
It’s almost like a case study in terms of what you’ve done, sort of like, what was the problem, you know, what did you How did you solve it? What were you thinking about and, and then, what was the outcome, you know, and how did you get there?

Jyoti Jain 27:13
Yeah, yeah. I don’t recommend, you know, hiring a video whatever, yeah, person or whatever. Just take your phone and just shoot it like you would. And most teenagers are very skilled.

Lisa Bleich 27:26
This is true. Yeah, that they ask us, I’m like, I don’t know, you’re gonna be better than I am at doing this. So you could be much better. So why don’t we end with some, like, some truths and myths about engineering portfolios. So what would you say are some truths and what are some myths about them?

Jyoti Jain 27:42
So yes, do you want to start with the truths? Sure, yeah. So I would say that, you know, as I was mentioning, even small projects can make you shine. So just focus. You don’t have to do anything big, like you don’t have to do like, something really life changing, or whatever. It could be a small thing, but just take them through the process about the why, what challenges and then what skills you gained. I think you know, that’s something that I would like to highlight. The other thing is, definitely the portfolios are valuable for students, because, you know, they can take you through, you know, take the admissions committee through the journey of, you know what the journey has been so far. And, you know, make you a standard applicant. Just help you with that. So definitely, wherever, if you have something there to show, then show it. The other thing is, I would say, make sure it shows growth, that reflection, you know, okay, this is the skills I’ve gained. These are the, you know, challenges. This is how I look at problem solving, and then highlighting the soft skills. I would say, What about myths? Any myths about it? I just said, not every school takes a portfolio, right? So you know, if you and especially if the school is not going to take it, like the UCs, as I was mentioning, then, you know, don’t do it. Yeah, don’t do it. Don’t do it. Don’t waste your time, yeah, yeah. So you know, wherever the schools are taken, you know, and wherever it’s optional, it might be a good way to stand out.

Lisa Bleich 29:23
How will they know? Is there a list of schools that will accept a portfolio? I know, on the common app, it will say who will take a like a slide room or who will take an arts portfolio? But it almost sounded like you were saying, if they take an arts portfolio or art supplement, that you can do this in lieu of that?

Jyoti Jain 29:38
I think so. I think you can, you know, just send out the information, right? Some schools will say, No, we were, we are not going to look at it. So in that case, no, but if it’s available, and if they have that link, and if you can send it in, then send it in doesn’t hurt you,

Lisa Bleich 29:56
right? But we don’t have a master list. You don’t have a master list. Schools,

Jyoti Jain 30:00
unfortunately, yeah, I don’t have, like, a master

Lisa Bleich 30:03
list. We need a master’s list.

Jyoti Jain 30:07
No. But I like, I yeah, not all my students, you know, do the portfolios. Of course, that’s so yeah, you know, if they and if they have one ready, like they’re applying to MIT or Caltech, then, you know, I look at, okay, can you submit it as well? Correct?

Lisa Bleich 30:24
Because those are the schools that I mostly have it for. Is it? I mean, certainly for MIT, but that’s but a lot of the other schools not obvious that they’re going to even look at it. So

Jyoti Jain 30:33
Exactly, yeah, yeah. So not everyone has to do it for all the schools, but if it’s, if the student is working, if, let’s say they’re applying to MIT, they’re going to be having that so then,

Lisa Bleich 30:44
so then see who else will take it. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. All right. Any other words of wisdom before we close?

Jyoti Jain 30:52
The other methods that you need, expensive tools and materials or whatever, to build, I would say just, you know, focus on creativity and documentation of, you know, what you’re doing, the journey, and you can do it on a budget. You don’t have to, like, spend, you know, gazillion dollars to kind of have a portfolio. Start small. Look at, you know, those, really, the projects that matter to you. And definitely, you know, think about the why? Why did you do it? What were the challenges and what skills you learned as a result? All right,

Lisa Bleich 31:27
well, that is such, such great advice. So thank you so much. Thank you, CBMers, for tuning in. Thank you Jyoti for your invaluable tips on creating a stellar engineering portfolio. We will have a link to your blog that we love so much on our site for those of you who want to read that into more depth, to catch more episodes of College Bound Mentor, make sure to follow or subscribe on your favorite podcast platform and tell a fellow parent or student about podcast. To learn more, visit CollegeBoundMentor.com Until next time, you got this!

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